We talk to Mary Poppendieck, co-founder of Lean Software Development, taking us from development to leadership to the whole lean mindset. We will talk about lean principles, how lean has evolved over the last 17 years, how it's grown into the DevOps movement, the symbiotic relationship between tech and lean, how the lean mindset can be applied across organizations, the experience of being the lone female voice at the start business agility, and, of course, questions from the audience! Plus, as the whole role seems to have changed, we will talk about life during a pandemic and how lean principles can be applied to ease the burden.